The facade painted outside, but only garbage inside! (4)



secondary title: "The disintegration of our school by following the tantric path" (continued from part 3)

In his presentation, Stoian ends up talking about competence and spiritual authority at MISA/ATMAN:

M. Stoian:

And of course, when you have systems like in Romania, for instance, where they don't have a challenge, because the school is big

enough and so on, they become very lousy. Very! You saw the qualities of some events in Costinești, they are miserable. I mean,

we wouldn't import such an event in any of our schools here, because we'll make full of ourselves in front of the students.

And it's a reality. We got complaints from our students, you remember, from different events in Costinești, our students,

especially beginners, were outraged. ”Come on, we make such an effort, we come here, we pay money and so on, and we come

there to listen to all this flatness and nonsense. I could have written myself this text!”, was saying someone last year in Costinești

from the Tantra course. They were saying, I could have written myself these inept notions that were presented in the men&women

lectures. And if you ask the organizers, they would say ”Grieg was asking us to say that!” No, Grieg was saying, maybe speak

about that subject. But the fact that we are incompetent in talking about that topic is because we are unchallenged, or at least

so we think, because we put a wall, we never meet the society, because the society will give a feedback. If we will go keep a public

lecture, there will be people there saying ”hey, what is that? What are you talking here about? Don't you see that is far out?” 

And we will get feedbacks, but we don't get feedbacks anymore. We close the doors, we try to retire away from the people, from

the society, and that's, as I said, a mistake. But then we are not concerned about delivering a product, so to speak, of quality. 

Here in West, we are a little more forced to do that, and that's a good thing, but we are forced, so it's semi-conscious, because

of the financial problems. And we have to go out and make more money than the course, the yoga course can do.

And because of that, of course, people will not pay money for a lousy event. So we started to grow in the quality. But still,

in my opinion, here we also have to make a lot of work in the awareness, in the consciousness, because we don't do it because

of big concern of participation. We do it because of money, mostly. Very little I heard people concerned on delivering a spiritual

product, so to speak, of high quality, because of the spiritual mission. So that we still have to do a lot, even here in the West,

where, let's say, we are forced. Then, of course, we should understand the fact that our theme is this impeccable, is our

impeccability in the presentation, in the way we present the things, because we are already given most of the notions.

Most of the teachers, they are already given lectures, they are already given seminars, they are already given everything.

So all they have to do is just to bring it alive through their participation and their contribution. If there is no contribution, then

there is no sacrifice. Without this sacrifice, nothing can be achieved. And on this idea, Grieg insisted very much. 

The poor quality of the presentations has always been there, and it is natural that it should be so since the so-called instructors

are trained from among the students themselves, having a minimum of advance over the students they teach, in terms of lessons.

Frequently, especially in the big years in small towns, the instructors are even classmates! They receive cassettes or DVDs

from the MISA library, they give "play" and that's it! Look at how the few tricksters in the management, who have taken over the

microphones at MisaTV, come with audacity and read a lot of nonsense taken with copy-paste from cheap websites on the Internet.

But from whom did they get this stupid habit? From their great guide who, in recent years, has done this weekly. In fact, Bivolaru's

"lectures" were actually put together by the same mass-produced instructors, as he admitted when he became ridiculous with

a fake article taken from a tabloid! By the way, if the quality of the presentations is so good in the West - obviously thanks to

the extremely high level of the initiate Stoian - then why are they simply not taken over, translated into Romanian and then

broadcast to the "suckers in Romania"? And the fact that those in Romania are happy to swallow all kinds of rubbish is also

due to the higher degree of indoctrination, favored by the mentality of obedience inherited from communism.

Not only is the quality of the presentations disastrous, but also that of the "shows", created by some amateurs. MISA is a poor

quality show, made by amateurs, as "Grieg" calls them! In this regard, those in the West are just as bad as those in Romania,

as can be seen from the recording of the graduation ceremony of a new class of instructors, sponsored by Stoian himself! 🔗

The same eternal scenes with students painted, dressed and adorned in the form of Hindu deities, adopting various bodily

attitudes, spinning, waving their hands, trying to create and force an ambiance on the viewers that is not typical of the Western

mentality and culture, adopting all kinds of positions, each more emphatic, more self-absorbed, as Stoian sarcastically says!

These embarrassing and amateurish shows have always been done at MISA, proof that they can do that much, but it is true that

during Bivolaru's time and in his presence, they were much more sexualized, as can be seen in these photos 🔗 that captured

a show prepared for the Miss Shakti contest by the same director who also produced the MISA porn movies, in which, by the way,

Stoian also starred, movies that he sold in an online shop right on the Natha page, where he himself was the "coordinator".

MISA instructors are asked to put more soul into their work and to show more spirit of sacrifice. But why would they do this

since they are volunteers, so they have no other benefit - even an imaginary one - of "accelerated spiritual evolution",

who have to make an additional effort even in their free time, being stuffed to saturation with the same and the same eternal

ineptitude that they have to deliver in the same wooden language! If this were their job, it would be somewhat understandable.

For whom should they sacrifice themselves: for Bivolaru, so that he could have more money and more followers from which

to choose his "initiates", sitting like the sultan in Paris and making love to them? Moreover, since they do this for alms,

they are also required to be "highly qualified"! But what does it mean to be qualified at MISA?

M. Stoian:

Moreover, there are special qualifications for different positions that we have or we need to fulfill in the school, such as

administrator, coordinating the school. These are positions that are requiring special qualities. And the worrying thing

is not that we are not qualified. The worrying thing is that it's obvious in many cases a lack of interest to be qualified.

This is coming together with a very big effort to hide the mistakes and incapacity to receive feedback, which goes hand in hand.

So we notice, for instance, in some cases, even in some schools, we have to dig, to dig to find out certain things that were

going wrong, That shows that the person in charge is not only disqualified, but is avoiding to be qualified.

As a proof, there were a lot of lessons even in here, in the Atman Federation, presented spiritual management, all these things

about the qualities of the coordinator and so on. Most of the teachers, they didn't even attend it, they didn't even care to listen,

I checked. This is something that goes always with the initiative to hide the mistakes, which is very damaging for the  system, 

Then we build in front protocols of communication, formalisms, and then it becomes an institution. It's dead. If we want to keep it

alive, we have to get rid of all these things, and the root of this is that we are competent, because the one who is qualified

the one who is competent, even if he's doing a mistake, it's no problem, he can correct, he knows what to correct.

Only the ones which are not qualified, they are desperate, because if it's an error there, they don't know how to fix it.

But the answer is very simple, education. We don't need to build all kind of systems. 

After making a huge extra effort in their free time, without receiving anything in return, instructors are also required to be highly

qualified! But being unqualified, when they make mistakes, they hide them so that they don't have any more trouble.

The question is: why all the fuss, why do they want to be instructors, if they don't correspond? Simple: because they believe that

they have a huge benefit for their spiritual evolution! But their incompetence shows them that they are not spiritually evolved,

so this expected benefit is actually a chimera! This is a vicious circle of the mind that can hardly be broken.

Deception through self-deception!

So at MISA, if you are an instructor and your lesson consists only of carrying out the practice program and running a pre-recorded

video file with standard lessons, that means they are not qualified. And then what is required of them? In fact, instructors are asked

to be more effective in mobilizing, and therefore in indoctrinating, the students. Obviously, this requires that they themselves be

strongly indoctrinated first. This is how MISA expanded: some indoctrinated students fascinated and indoctrinated others.

Bivolaru has no charisma, as they say. A man with true charisma imposes himself, on his own. He is the only one in the center

of attention, and that is all. If Bivolaru had truly had charisma, most of society would have been seduced by him, in the worst

case they would have said "Bivolaru is a character!", and not in a negative sense, but in the sense of fascination.

But the reality is exactly the opposite, he mostly arouses disgust and controversy. Bivolaru needs someone to prepare the stage

for him and make his entrance. That's what his first disciples did, who actually had greater charisma than him.

The followers after 1990 were seduced by the stories of these first disciples, who transmitted to their first students the fascination

for "Grieg", like "apostles". Those who saw "Grieg" for the first time were unpleasantly surprised, there was a great contrast between

the stories of the "apostles" and reality, but they believed them, because they truly had charisma. Certainly if the first disciples had

been the center of attention at MISA, if they had been the interface for the public, the image of MISA would have been different.

In fact, this was attempted at one point, when the scandal was growing, by sending those from the "second level" forward,

but Bivolaru had already irremediably left his mark on MISA through the debauchery that made him famous.

One could say: the disciple Sahajananda (Hridaya Yoga School 🔗) did not have much success after he broke away from Bivolaru.

But another disciple, Vivekananda Saraswati (Agama school 🔗), had success in the West and then in Thailand, until the "bivolaru"

in him came to light. His success comes from that mixture of exotic esoteric knowledge poured out in abundance and the "overflowing,

frenetic" sexuality. That was also the case with Bivolaru: a pre-prepared stage, a pre-warmed audience, plus a flood of unheard,

mythical information, greedily absorbed by novices. Then the novices, who became faithful students, did the work further,

attracting and convincing others, because collective pressure (and persuasion) proved to be essential at MISA.

This is the live participation, this is the qualification Stoian is talking about, which is created according to the exact same recipe:

one-man show, a bit of charisma plus a lot of information poured out on the audience, who is not allowed to recover from its reverie.

But if all of them had kept quiet, not much would have happened. Ultimately, the impact of MISA comes from this constant flow

of information, unknown in the West but stolen from the East. That's what everyone who attends the first courses says:

"you learn a lot of new things and you have the impression that you can EASILY do those things too!" Only after a few decades

do you find out that you actually can't... When you add it all up, the MISA recipe is the same recipe for mobilizing the masses

with empty words. It's exactly like the biblical scene:

And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them. And the people gave

a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a ma” (Acts, 12:22-23)

This is how the masses are fooled: with big and empty words! A big, stupid crowd, plus snoring talk, and success is assured

in the short term.

TO BE QUALIFIED AT MISA MEANS "BEING A PARROT"!

How were the female students convinced to end up in Bivolaru's bed, despite the disgust they felt?

With big words, with promises of salvation: "let me give it to you... the salvation!"

But for it to work, you have to constantly "deliver" new merchandise, for over 35 years, to always keep your attention alert with

new and new "initiations". For the sheep to stay in the fold and not leave, you have to continuously "deliver" them fodder.

That's the difference between MISA and other folds: fodder in bulk! Bivolaru read a lot, had a monopoly on information,

added spicy ingredients, then opened the bistro. The MISA recipe! And Stoian knows this well, because he also enjoyed:

M. Stoian:

So after a while, some people simply don't join, and we've noticed that, and there are also other groups that somehow their quality

the quality level of the people starts to diminish. And you know, we have seen it in Romania, for instance, quite obvious, because

we have a very high level. When Grieg was in touch with the people there and so on, we have such a high level of people.

Educated people, people with immense aspiration. And now we can see that actually even the level of education of people who

join the classes, it's decreasing. We don't penetrate so much, for instance, in universities, as it was all over the university level

there, and in the high level of the education and the society, it was, our school was all over. Now, it's more medium level. Why?

Because that's the level also of people in front. When they come and see those people, they say, well, I'm not feeling represented.

While when Grieg was there, the interesting part, he's not representing, he's not even having university studies, yet.

People with high university degrees would feel honored to be in that class, which is a clear proof that it's not about your diploma

or something. It's about the way you are qualified for what you're doing there. And he is super qualified for what he's doing.

He was providing high class. And then because he was providing high class, everybody would join. 

But then when the quality of what we provide is lowering, many people feel rejected, even though the content is very valuable.

And this is what I think is an abuse from our side. We rely too much on the fact that the content is so good, and then we don't,

we ignore the shape. That's our job. Grieg's job was to give the content. Our job is to give the shape of this content, very nice.

And actually, we've been in classes with him, and also the shape was nice. Not only the content. It was interesting. It was very

effervescent, fascinating. It was really entertaining also. All the points were covered. So it was not only one thing. 

While as we can see, that kind of quality is decreasing. And it shouldn't be like that, because after all, this is what we are doing.

We are supposed to become better into something, better into writing the course. We cannot be, because it's written.

So that is taken already. But we can become infinitely better in providing these courses, explaining them, presenting them,

doing introduction to the courses, courses of introduction to the courses, masses courses, courses in stadiums, whatever.

I've never heard Grieg saying ”NO” to any of these kind of initiatives. We are free to do it. The problem is, are we free to do it? 

"Grieg's job was to give the content. Our job is to give this content a beautiful shape".

The instructors' job is to take the excrement, put it through cocoa, give it a beautiful shape and sell it as a cocoa cake...

For this, they also become accomplices to what is happening at MISA, and they should answer, not to be so free anymore...

"Grieg doesn't have a university degree, yet" so, suggests Stoian, "he is not yet recognized, but he already has a university level".

Yes, he does, but it is called "plagiarism", because he stole from others who have a university degree and did not cite them.

But what can we talk about a university level, because he was not even a disciple, he did not even have a master, he only had

"dreams with Tibetans and initiatory states" in his childhood!

M. Stoian:

Many of the Western schools are confronted with this problem, lack of reliable students to get involved in the school to do things.

Because many are coming, many of the coordinators are coming and saying, oh, but I'm not having enough people to help me.

Are you sure that you are doing the right thing? Because if we are doing the right thing, people join. People will come.

People will join us from all kinds of places. But they always join us in the extent we can cover the things, not more, not less.

So then maybe we are not qualified. Grieg knows these things, and he is having an attitude which is absolutely incredible, amazing.

He's covering all the lackings that we have. But this cannot continue like that. We will be shocked when that will stop for a reason,

because one day the universe will say stop to this situation. Like, for instance, the school in Romania was shocked when Grieg left.

How many things remained uncovered? There was the whole team there working what they consider to be work, which was in my

opinion very little work, unprofessional, trying to cover what one man was doing, and they couldn't. So it's the same situation all over

the place. 

Not only did "Grieg" leave then, but shortly after, some of those who had actually built the school, and also erected the Grieg's statue,

began to be marginalized and made to leave! When they left, it felt like the entire course had collapsed.

In fact, the quality of the courses had begun to decline sharply even before the great man's departure. In 2004, the 15th year of the

course began, and the courses from that year were the first to be coded, so as not to be copied by others and thus preserve the

monopoly of the information (and, of course, to hide plagiarism!) On this occasion, those who wanted to decipher them in order

to read them, found that they were putting in a huge effort for nothing. Many simply gave up trying to decipher them and relied

only on the course notes, on which occasion they realized that they had not noted much, because there was a lot of empty talk.

M. Stoian:

We see, for instance, nowadays we rely very much on students sending letters to Grieg and receiving answers. Very nice, no doubt

about it. But first of all, it's not fair. We shouldn't do that in such an extent. And secondly, we should cover that. It should not

be necessary. A letter to Grieg should be like a super exceptional exception. Grieg should receive letters from us about fundamental

issues like these ones. But you see, after 20 years, he's giving such an answer: ”Nobody asked me about these things!”, certain

fundamental things. This is very disqualifying, because during those years we have been interacting with him big time.

Letters, long hours of talking, interactions, really, all the way. And still, that's not the way to integrate the spiritual guide in our life.

He has a completely different role: guiding. Guiding is not management daily basis. Guiding is guidelines.

Once in a while asking: ”hey, is this the point? Is this?” ”Yes! Yes!” ”Yes! Thank you very much!” That's it.

And the rest, go! You don't need, for instance, validation from the spiritual guide, which in my opinion is a proof of failure.

And he confirmed it. He said: ”Yeah, but what can I do with them? Look at them. Hundreds of letters with requests for validation:

”Grieg, I had this dream. Is it true? Grieg, I had this state. What state is that? Grieg, I had...” Validations. What's the meaning

of a normal yogi asking for validation? 

It has meaning! It is not just the validation of the “yogi!” It is the “validation of the value and authenticity of the school”!

In the absence of concrete, obvious achievements that can be ascertained by outsiders (but also by insiders!), only with sensations,

shivers and tinglings that even those who ask for validations are not sure about (because that is why they ask for validations!),

Bivolaru’s only tool to “demonstrate the value of the school” is represented by the “testimonies and accounts” authenticated by him.

This has been talked about in previous posts, “one hand washes the other”: the students testify about the Guide, and the Guide

authenticates what the students say! (the graphic representation of this fact can be viewed here)

And the validation trend at MISA was subtly inoculated by the Guide himself who, in his need to validate the “value of the school”,

but also his own, always asks, after every example, for testimonials from the students. And what was the Guide supposed to answer:

“Nonsense, nothing, imagination! You are daydreaming, you are deceiving yourself, you have no authentic achievements!”?

It would mean saying that the school sucks, therefore he sucks! The next second, all the students would leave! So he says:

“Wow, what achievements! You are almost enlightened!” The students ask for validations because it tickles their ego and gives

them confidence, so they stay in the school, and the business flourishes.

M. Stoian:

You can write a letter after five years of profound practice and say: ”I have reached this and this and that, this and this and that!”

And he said:  ”Yes, this is authentic! Yes, this is good! This is correct! From there you continue!” That's a validation.

This kind of letters Grieg should receive. One has an experience writing to Grieg directly, not to anyone else, because of course,

and receiving a letter from there with a validation. Validations are a poison the way we use it today.

It's a misuse of the spiritual guide. 

“It’s a misuse of the spirit guide.” Wrong! It’s a misuse by the spirit guide! He started, he tolerated this idea spread by his first students,

that he was in touch with “god” and he sees and knows everything!

And this with the “deep state”: if you have a really deep state, that means a high level of consciousness and you should understand it.

And if you don’t have a high level, how can you have high states? Or if a special state is induced in you, how could you understand it?

Some people get special perceptions of space and time, ingesting LSD, but they have no idea where they ended up, they are dazed!

They can’t understand the state because they don’t have the necessary level, they are blind people who have been forced there,

through the chemical action on the brain, they don’t realize what they are experiencing because, if they did, they would be transformed.

As a result, they turn to the drug again and again, ending up becoming addicted and destroying themselves mentally and physically.

There are others who have understood at least partially the perception obtained from using the drug and are even able to describe it,

realize that it is something special, but these are the ones who already have a level of awakening. If a practitioner with a weak level

arrives forcibly, through a certain technique, what will he understand from the perception or from what the master transmits to him?

That is why it is said that those who have understood no longer have questions, and those who have questions prove by this very fact

that they have not yet understood!

M. Stoian:

And what will happen? Is anyone thinking of the future? Let's say his teachings will become truly popular, we will revolutionize

the planet. What? Seven billion people sending letters, having the biggest postal service ever existed, in one – not imagine all

the letters, one – seven billion people sending letters to Grieg for everything they want to do in life. It's unrealistic.

Even nowadays, most of the letters stays unanswered because simply he cannot cover that. And he shouldn't cover that. 

If "his teachings become truly popular", many will realize that they are not his teachings but borrowed from others, at which point

he will suddenly become very unpopular: "Look at this one, he says they are his teachings, but others have revealed them long ago.

And those that are not others' and are certainly his, about the golden elixir (urine) of others, phew!" 

But if nevertheless "his teachings become popular", meaning that everyone on the planet would have the level of consciousness

specific to MISA, then humanity has no chance of recovering!

And what a convenient excuse to make when he does not give answers to disturbing questions: "Uuh, he does not have time!"

But the answers to unimportant letters come anyway; for these, how does he have time?

M. Stoian:

Then, of course, the question is that the fanatics are immediately putting: ”So who will answer our letters?”

”Me! I will answer the questions!” You, everyone, those who are following Grieg and are becoming models to follow.

We should be able to give meditations for birthday.

There are indeed some students who claimed that they have the impression that it is not "Grieg" who answers their letters,

but someone from the school administration...

M. Stoian:

And of course, inevitably, many of the things when you hear ”Grieg said that”, they are wrong. They are even lies.

I heard people saying ”Grieg said that”, and I checked with him ”Did you say that?” Because there were some stupid things

and they were contradictory. And he said ”No, I never said that!” ”Well, you were quoted to say that!” ”Wrong. I didn't!” 

"I heard some contradictory nonsense that could not have been said by Grieg, because he does not say nonsense and contradictions,

and I asked him: ”Grieg, you didn't say that, did you?" And Grieg answered me: ”Right, if it's nonsense, then I didn't say it!”

Therefore, if you hear contradictory nonsense right from Grieg's mouth, know that he didn't say it!”

So, if you heard Grieg say that the Covid pandemic is fake and staged, then that it's a simple cold, and finally he said that if you

don't take the anti-Covid powders he recommended, you'll die of Covid, know that he didn't say anything like that!

If he said with his own mouth about "prophylactic remedies" 🔗, meaning herbal powders that cure what they couldn't prevent,

then it wasn't him!

And if you heard Grieg say in a conference that the Pope declared that those who do not get vaccinated will not enter Heaven 🔗,

and then you heard him in the next conference apologizing for not knowing that he had read fake news 🔗, know that it was not

Grieg, but a team of editors from MISA, who write the conferences for the Great Expert of the universe!

M. Stoian:

And of course, that is showing another thing. Incapacity to have authority. And we try to get endorsement of our authority

with the famous words ”Grieg said”. You know what means ”Grieg said”? ”Grieg said” means ”I didn't say that”. 

It's not you! You don't participate! You put a distance between you and him. Every time you say ”according to him”,

it's not also ”according to you”?” And of course, together with this, we also have using the tendency to use Grieg name as a kind

of a jolly-joker to cover everything that we don't know. If we don't understand something, if we don't know something, 

”Grieg said, Grieg imposed” and so on. 

Spiritual authority comes from spiritual accomplishments. When the instructors are just students who have passed some exams,

while being students themselves, what authority can we talk about? And all the instructors at MISA/ATMAN teach the course

designed by “Grieg”, as they always admit, so it is always “according to Grieg”. The instructors do not have great spiritual 

accomplishments, but parrot things learned from someone who, in turn, took from others. This lack of spiritual accomplishments

is reflected in the title of instructor or coordinator. If he had great spiritual accomplishments of his own and thus acquired great

spiritual authority, he would be called a sage, teacher or master. At MISA, only Bivolaru has stated that he is a mentor or spiritual

guide and signs himself as a “yoga teacher”, with extremely dubious diploma 🔗, acquired in just one month in India, a country

he has never been to!

M. Stoian:

Together with this fear of being wrong and the reason why we tend to abuse Grieg's presence and Grieg's name, it appears

this paranoia of being wrong, paranoia of mistakes, especially after a while. You see, paranoia of being wrong appears for yogis

who fail to evolve because yoga practitioners who transform, they're not afraid to be wrong because their transformation clearly

shows up by the fact that the mistakes are not allowed to go too low because you transform. 

The paranoia of making mistakes at MISA does not mean the fear of making great spiritual mistakes (sins), as Stoian erroneously

insinuates. The instructors and leaders at MISA have no problem when they violate moral principles. They have no hesitation

when they commit all kinds of villainies and when they lie to people, painting the "divine paradise" at MISA and publicly denying

the media's exposure of debauchery, orgies, pornographic films and video chats committed right in front of the world!

They have no hesitation in sending female students to pornographic video chats or to sexual "initiation" with the guru, knowing what

is about to happen, lying to them and even urging women to do all this even against their wishes, promising them a great spiritual leap.

They had no hesitation in lying continuously in all the conferences and posts of the organization, in the so-called rights of reply,

they have no hesitation in swearing perjury and giving false testimony in court! And they do all this at the urging and with the

"blessing" of the "spiritual guide", even when they are aware that they are violating moral rules. So their fear is not of wronging

God, because they do this constantly, but they are afraid of wronging their lying god and enslaved by perverse passions, the guru.

Nothing can show a person's character better than their attitude towards spiritual practice and their spiritual Guide.

Human beings who have been on this spiritual path, overcome by impatience and doubts, have distanced themselves from

the spiritual Guide and implicitly left the spiritual path, voluntarily giving up the divine chance of transformation.

However the doubt manifested itself, it triggered resonance processes with the terrible world of demons and even hell.

The demonic doubts they faced at a certain point proved fatal for some of them, causing them to go astray and deviate from

the authentic spiritual path on which they existed. The lost person can no longer accept their Spiritual Guide as a divine being

necessary to transform their limited egoistic personality, to free it, to make it come out of the ego and help it enter universality

and infinity. Thus, from the authentic aspirants who were at the beginning, they became poor and obvious yogic "waste". (archived)

(to be continued)