The facade painted outside, but only garbage inside! (3)



secondary title: "The disintegration of our school by following the tantric path" (continued from part 2)

We continue the analysis of M. Stoian's speech from the meeting with the instructors, entitled "Integrating the Tantric Path

into Our School". After analyzing the sectarian attitude within the school in part 1, and speaking in part 2 about the servile

and anarchic fanaticism manifested by the instructors and coordinators, Stoian continues with the analysis of another attitude:

the state of formalism and passive execution of "guidelines coming from the spiritual guide", which many of the instructors and

coordinators of the MISA/ATMAN courses manifest.

M. Stoian:

Now, another element that we should also point out here is the tendency to ask for absolutely everything from the spiritual guide

or from the coordinator, because it's exactly the same attitude that is transmitted, I noticed, for instance, those who have a healthy

attitude, the people that are working with them, they also tend to have the same healthy attitude and so on; those who are

fanatic towards Grieg, their students become fanatic towards them, of course, because they cannot learn from other attitude.

So it is this tendency ”nothing moves without Grieg's approval”. And they have it sometimes in Romania quite, they almost

write it on the wall. 

But also I saw it here, there was a little bit of this tendency as a reply to the anarchy tendency that existed a lot here in Denmark.

In other places, there is also the tendency to go towards that, which is wrong. Grieg never wanted this. I checked with him, he said:

”No, no, I want you to have harmonious initiatives, to be full of initiative and creativity, to have impact in the society. You don't have

to ask me every time you try to think of something, oh, is it good like that? Oh, can I do that? Do it, do it and carry the responsibility

of what you're doing. You know the guidelines. Why are you asking?” 

The question always comes with, how to say, an underlayer of hypocrisy. You want to give him also the responsibility, which is

hypocritical. At least we should say clearly: ”Look, I want to do that, but honestly speaking, I'm afraid I will be criticized.

So why don't you take the responsibility for that? I mean, I'm not the kind of responsible person I can assume such a decision?”

That's more honest.  But there are a lot of hypocrites which are writing to him saying:  ”I'm planning to do this project, what you say?” 

Come on, you know the principles. You know exactly what should such a project do and what should such a project not do.

Do it! And if you did break some of these guidelines, you carry the full responsibility, of course! And you will learn from that,

even from a very harsh feedback from him, if it comes! But when you write this, you hypocritically try to blame him for this:

”Well, you said that!” 

And unfortunately, the drama is nobody can, for instance, explain the project of a school in smallest details.

So when he signed there the paper, ”yes, you can do that!”, he didn't sign for all the idiotic things you might do there.

And what I have noticed, and it's extremely severe, is that people with such a signature, they think that signature endorsed

all the stupid things they are doing there. And they are doing then plenty of the stupid things because they are careless. 

”Grieg said we can do it!” No, Grieg said you can do it as a principle, but you are responsible for all the other things that you

are doing there. All the details! Then of course, having said that: ”Why are you asking? What's your problem? Do it anyway.

Do the things. Carry the responsibility!”  I've never heard Grieg saying ”you should ask me!” He said ”do a consecration!”

This I heard him. But I never heard him saying ”ask me if you want to do something!” Which shows exactly this thing, that

we are going in the wrong direction as an attitude, as a coordinator, and so on. 

Why do some people only act if they “received a paper from Grieg”? Because when they or others acted on their own initiative

 they immediately received a “feedback” that burned them! So everyone says to themselves:

“THEY get the benefits and I only get the damages, even though I’ve been a volunteer for decades and haven’t had any benefits!

When I have personal successes, there are praises, but the school takes the credit! But if I screw up, often against my will,

I’m the only one to blame, even though I did what I WAS TOLD!” So ​​they give up! We remember that when former advanced

students left the school in 2007 with a scandal, they denounced the fact that some students ended up with criminal cases for

illegalities they committed because they were told so by the guru or the school management! I quote:

We have decided to withdraw from these courses as a final gesture of protest against the situation that has persisted for a long

time within MISA and for which Grieg is responsible. We have been made by Grieg to do strange things or to close our eyes

to certain aspects or to tacitly tolerate situations created by Grieg and which have nothing to do with the original doctrine

of this school. Grieg knows and relies on the fact that we will not be able to say those things that could harm innocent people

whose only mistake was that they accepted the compromise of swearing not to speak (because Grieg asked them to) and did

some things, just because Grieg told them to do them, without knowing what they were exposing themselves to.

We all know that there are many accused in criminal cases and their only fault is that they did what Grieg told them to do,

who assured them that everything was spiritual and under his protection. Other people were encouraged to lie to defend him

or to justify delicate or embarrassing situations (for example, the homage show at Polyvallent Hall)

[Note: After the tribute show on March 12, 2002 of Bivolaru's anniversary, there was a criminal investigation because,

among the naked adults who performed in a theater play with pornographic scenes, there was also a minor girl, see min3:sec26

of this video 🔗. At that time, it was said that, at the instigation of the MISA leadership, a female adult student of very small

stature falsely declared that she had been in the incriminated scene].

What is most serious and which can no longer be tolerated by a person with common sense and intelligence is that Grieg makes

people violate the truth and makes them partners in the lie so that later, being accomplices, they support each other. 

(archived statenment)

"I drew your guidelines, but if you get caught, I don't know anything, I didn't make you do anything, it's only written in general terms

on paper, you had the initiative, you decided how to proceed, your job!" Of course, the servants should have had discernment and

noticed that moral principles were being violated, and the clearest alarm signal is that they are asked to swear not to reveal anything

they come to know, even though they don't know in advance what they are swearing for!

Bivolaru blamed the others in front of the French court: "The women came to me on their own initiative" (how did they know

where he was hiding?), "the women suddenly felt the need to make love with me" 🔗 (and why did he accept?), "they received

an affirmative answer to the consecration for making love" 🔗, so "God" approved, he did what the lord wanted, therefore

it is "God's" fault! So Bivolaru wants the "guidelines" to be carried out, but he does not assume responsibility for them.

M. Stoian:

Of course, the zealots and the fanatics to this point says: ”Oh, you mean we shouldn't ask Griggs anything?”

Well, only a fanatic can think like that. I'm just saying: when you lack guidelines, of course, because you know everything that is

said until now, there is something new, go to the master and ask him: ”Hey, I am in a new territory here. Where should I go?”

And then he show you the guideline. 

"If you don't know what to do, ask the master and he will tell you! But if you get into trouble, the master never told you to do

such a thing!"

M. Stoian:

Now, this is leading to formalism and instead of us being participants to this project, we are just organizers. And the difference

between an organizer and a participant to the project is that the organizer plays in the other team. The organizer is the representative

of Satan. The participant is the representative of God. That's the minor fundamental difference. He [Grieg] underlined it by reminding

the story with God and Satan, who was walking at a certain point, watching Earth, and God was mentioning to Satan:

”Look, people discovered a truth. What will you do now?” And Satan was very relaxed, said: ”Ah, that's not a problem!”

”Hey, come on!” said God. ”Look, they are understanding things now. So your dominion will diminish a lot!” And he said:

”But that's not the problem. I leave them like that for a while, then I go down there and organize them. And after they are

organized, I will go among them and make them doubt that truth!” That's the way it works!

In short, if you want to destroy divine truths, organize an esoteric spiritual school, because authentic spiritual experience is free

and spontaneous, and organization destroys spontaneity and leads to automatism and lack of authenticity, therefore to formal

action, carried out only on the surface, mechanically and without inner feeling.

M. Stoian:

So now, of course, people will come to, the fanatics here will immediately: ”So you are against organization!”

No, organization is good if it contains a certain degree of creativity in it. Yes, to be a participant to the life of this school, you risk

to be wrong, but you also risk to be right. You sometimes risk to deviate, but you also risk to do it right, which is a much higher risk,

actually, because you mainly do right. But when you are just an organizer, you simplify the directions given by God, with other words,

you deviate them, because a simplification in the conditions of the universe means deviation. It doesn't mean orthodox line.

It means deviation, it means fanaticism. As I said, the fanatic, he's right, but he's wrong. He keeps the line very straight, very

simplified, thus wrong. So, for this reason, being organizers is not enough. And we tend to become organizers. We tend to organize

the class. We tend to organize courses. We tend to organize schools. That's wrong! That's Satan sneaking into our life.

We have to be participants, co-participants to the work of our spiritual guide, assuming responsibility, having the chance to be wrong,

having the chance to be right, learning from that. Otherwise, we grow weaker. 

Actually, organizers, they become, as people, extremely weak from a spiritual perspective. They never take a decision. They never

challenge anything in their life. And you have the surprise that they are students that are having better and or more correct spiritual

view than the organizers. And see what happens sometimes. We have examples with organizers of big camps or big events,

which you will expect an organizer of such an event should be the one on top of the event. And people who are just participants

there, they have a much more correct point of view of the event than the organizers. They even correct the organizers.

They even give a feedback. And the organizers are even becoming fanatic and reluctant to feedback, which shows clearly that

they are not at the level of the event they are entrusted with. Rejecting feedback shows that the level is extremely low, which is

a result of the fact that simply that person doesn't have a view of a participant, but has a view of an organizer, that's very low, as I said. 

The organizers lead the participants in directions that are not their own, practically turning them into beads strung on a thread.

The organizers tend to impose their own vision on the participants. The best examples are the imposition of disgusting

pornographic films on the participants of the "adult program" camps that they reject, as well as the imposition of participation

for a minimum of 5 hours in various spiritual activities, including the program dedicated to the "master's" birthday! 🔗

From these examples it is clear that Bivolaru is actually the organizer, which is not surprising, since he is also the one who

organized the "esoteric spiritual school" in the form of courses structured by years of study and practice, with minimum

mandatory attendance and not with certain lessons that you choose to attend, as is the case with all other yoga courses, which

"are not authentic spiritual schools". Stoian is also a part of this structure, he coordinates training and preparation courses

in which he gives diplomas based on an exam with precise tests, not based on the level of spiritual evolution, but he also

complains about the idea of ​​organization!

M. Stoian:

This formalism, that is suffocating us sometimes in some levels or tend to be installed very much, is a result of this attitude.

Now, one of the consequences, which also I want to point out because it appeared in our discussion there, and it is extremely

severe in my opinion, is one of the most severe consequences of these attitudes – is the isolation of the spiritual guide from the world.

We put him in a box and we lock him away. Not physically, as we put him in a prison – by the way, from all our mistakes that we did

as organizers – but we simply isolate him from the world. In my opinion, and this is just a personal opinion, if we would

have been participants to his project, he would have never been in prison. He would have been now teaching these things here,

not to a handful of people but to everyone. 

The "rebel" Stoian actually shows himself to be a pitiful servant, blaming the guru's problems on the practitioners and instructors.

In reality, Bivolaru and his followers have come to be blamed, rejected, marginalized and isolated by the rest of society precisely

for the additions (mutual urine consumption, conspiracies, aliens, esoteric-religious mixture, "planetary premiere revelations"),

then the exaggerations and deformations (depraved sexualization, orgiastic, nude yoga in groups, group sex, polyamory,

as well as the financial exploitation of these - porn films and video chats, erotic massage parlors), culminating in sexual abuses

that claim to be "tantric initiations", all thrown over the facade of yoga practice which, in this way, they compromise.

The appreciation for MISA's courses comes from the traditional practices copied from high-level authors, while the criticism

and even the public's disgust, which constitutes the predominant and final impression, come precisely from these additions

and deviations. Bivolaru is not judged for being right, but for having distorted what is right. Bivolaru is not judged for

the deviations of his followers, but precisely for the fact that he leads them astray from the right path. And above all, he is

judged for having violated the freedom of some female students.

He is the head of the evils at MISA, he gave this deviant direction, often against the aspirations of the students. He imposed

debauchery, naked exhibitionism, orgies, group sex, sex between women, polyamory, against the idea of ​​a couple full of love,

dedication and devotion. He imposed drinking the urine of partners and abject and excessive pornography, despite the disgust

of the students 🔗. He is the one who scolded the followers for not "engaging" enough in these abject practices 🔗, which he

argued were absolutely necessary because, without them, practitioners remain at a level of mediocrity 🔗.

M. Stoian:

It is our incapacity to participate, it is our disqualification to participants and just being some blind fanatic organizers that

made him isolated from the world, not only spiritually but even physically. It's a natural consequence of this thing. And the

reason is very simple. We consider Grieg as an exceptional case, a mistake humanity paid for a very heavy price.

Jesus was not an exceptional case. Jesus was a human being that was evolving and evolved through the spiritual path.

So this isolation of the spiritual guide appears because we consider him as exceptional.  Now the drama, because in my opinion

is a crime, is a drama of this fanatic tendency, when Grieg is an exceptional person, we are not responsible for our evolution,

because he's just an exception: ”Why should I be responsible? He was born like that, so therefore my failure on the path is fine.

I mean, I was born with a lot of problems. He was exceptional, that's why he is like that!” 

And that's a very big mistake, and it shouldn't start. I mean, we shouldn't make it. And unfortunately the teachers of the school

today, in my opinion, and I stand for this thing, we tend from our attitude to present Grieg as an exceptional being. He's not.

He's an exceptional yogi. He's a person who is exceptionally practiced, but he's not an exceptional being. It's all the fanaticism

inside twist when I say that. But I'm standing for this. I checked with him. His words: ”I'm an exceptional practitioner!”

He's not an exceptional person. He was not born exceptionally. He is an exceptional practitioner. If we are to prove anything in

this world, if we are to participate to this school and to this project he came in the world to give, we are supposed to be the same.

How do we follow a spiritual guide if we don't become a spiritual guide one day? 

People will ask me: ”Then why didn't you enter the door? Why didn't you follow him? Why are you not also exceptional?

Because you claim all the time you follow your master. We want to see exceptional results, exceptional practice.

Why you don't display that?” This is the standard of thinking. And in order to elude this standard, we come up with this trick: 

”Grieg is exceptional! Grieg is Grieg!” And I heard this, and I heard teachers and coordinators saying that ”no, no, but Grieg

is Grieg, come on! You don't challenge what Grieg said. You don't speak, I mean, it's like Grieg!”

"Grieg" said right in front of the court, I quote: "I am endowed with exceptional gifts, I am a spiritual leader!" 🔗

Then, he himself implicitly claimed that he was exceptional, since "god" revealed to him "for the first time on the planet" secrets

that were not known to either Jesus' apostles or the saints. But weren't the apostles and saints also exceptional practitioners?

Of course! But then why didn't "god" reveal his secrets to them, like to Bivolaru? Simply, because they weren't just exceptional

practitioners, they would have to be exceptional themselves, like Bivolaru.

The former president of MISA declared that Bivolaru is "an exceptional being, a messenger of God" and his words remained

posted on the MISA page and Bivolaru never asked for their correction, I quote:

The Bible actually tells us: “He will change the future (or, in other words, the destiny) of [this planet].” “He” here designates

an exceptional being – a “sent of God on Earth” – who will actually carry out, within a sufficiently large group of human beings

who will be guided by him, the process of creative modification and transformation of the destiny of humanity and planet Earth. 🔗

Stoian says that the practitioners of MISA are at a low level because they do not follow Bivolaru, because they consider him

too high for their human condition. But what if they are at a low level EXACTLY BECAUSE THEY FOLLOW HIM?

Because spiritual disaster does not come only from the lack of exceptional practice, but especially from moral decay!

Jesus said it: "Not that which goes into the mouth makes a man unclean, but that which comes out of the mouth.!" (Mathew 15:11)

The followers of MISA do indeed follow their guide, but on the path to perdition, forgetting the ideals for which they stepped

onto the spiritual path.

M. Stoian:

Should the people who are entrusted with these things be alive? If they're just dead organizers, if they're just these zombies, then,

of course, it doesn't grow anywhere. You take the course, you give it further, with no participation, even simplification, just because

we are afraid not to say something wrong, and then we do it. And we reach to the aberration that, for instance, in some schools

and in some classes, they put tapes. They don't even teach. They put the tape, they listen to the tape,

they go home.

It is an aberration. It is tolerated by Grieg because there was no other initiative, but it's not what he wanted. I spoke with him

several times about teaching with tapes, and he said: ”but this is not what I wanted. But since their level is so low, I said, fine,

then you can take a tape and put it, and you can stop the tape and make comments, and you can come with, he even said, now

the internet is so accessible with information, print a half a page on the subject there, but not exactly what is said in the course,

but connection, and they present it to the class as an example of something. 

Imagine how many hundreds of teachers we are, how many hundreds of lessons we teach every year, and each of them printing

a half a page more. Imagine what would have happened in the last 25 years, what the volume we would have covered.

And the result is most of the teachers hardly collect a little bit of something like that home, and the pile of courses is still the most

significant material they ever read. That's not participation. That's poor organization, and it comes also with this lack of interest

in what the quality of our delivery, and it is not affecting only the courses, it's affecting seminars, lectures, reasons for which

we are not competitive, we're not, how to say, we're not good compared with others. Others are keeping seminars and lectures

and whatever much better than we do. 

"It is tolerated by Grieg, but it is not what he wanted". Well, the students did not want this from the beginning either!

The students were attracted by the lying posters of MISA, which claim to teach yoga practices in the gym, with promises of

health and calm then, between two lessons in the gym, each one lives his own life, pursues his own ideals. But then once

they enter, they find that in fact they have been attracted to an "esoteric integral spiritual school", where they are told about

another ideal that is extremely high, while the master, the leaders and the instructors are very low, they are like them in fact,

even lower. In such conditions, how can you claim to be able to get along with some super-disciples. The great masters of the

traditional lineages had few disciples, whom they chose precisely because they had quality (”many are called, but few are chosen),

not like at MISA where whoever wants to enroll enters and whoever pays the course fee stays!

This method with lessons listened to on cassettes is like grass given to sheep so that they stay well in the fold and give milk.

And, after all, who is talking about those cassettes? Bivolaru, who complains that this is not what he wanted! Hypocritical liar!

The MISA/ATMAN course is made according to the principle of "as many courses as possible, as many students as possible,

as many incomes as possible, as many "sexually open" individuals as possible", so where can there be quality aspirants?

Like master, like disciples! Didn't Bivolaru say that every disciple gets the master he deserves? That also means that

the master gets the disciples he deserves! And then why is Bivolaru dissatisfied? In reality, he should have been

dissatisfied with himself, but he doesn't accept this, because he considers himself exceptional!

(to be continued)