The facade painted outside, but only garbage inside! (5)



secondary title: "The disintegration of our school by following the tantric path" (continued from part 4)

In this last part of the presentation, Stoian talks about the relationship between the "yoga school" and society.

M. Stoian:

There are also observations from other schools, but there is one almost specific to our school, not totally, we don't have

exclusivity on that, but the victim attitude. We tended to develop in time a kind of a victim attitude due to the fact that

we are attacked by the bad guys, that la la la. This victim attitude has some side effects which are very strange.

One of them is the fact that the victim attitude is underlining an arrogant attitude. Many of the people who have this

victim attitude: ”we are superior and we are the victims of the inferior guys”. 

Indeed, it is also about an attitude of superiority and arrogance, which is taken to the extreme. Those from MISA consider

themselves perfect, divine, they never make mistakes and can never make mistakes, so don't even touch them with a flower!

An ridiculous example is the reproach that those from MISA addressed to a former student named Miranda, one of the

victims who filed a complaint against Bivolaru, who in the BBC podcast "Bad Guru", referred to Bivolaru as

"the spiritual guide of the yoga camp", a name considered offensive by MISA(!?), although this is an absolutely minor aspect

compared to the accusations of sexual abuse and sexual exploitation that the same female student made against Bivolaru!

Moreover, they consider themselves the only holders of the truth and claim to have received directly from “god” the mission

of enlightenment and saving the planet, a fact written in the Bible Code, so the rest of us, the profane, not only should we not

criticize them, but we should praise and glorify them constantly! Whoever doubts MISA even a little, is not only mistaken from

the start, but is even demonic and will end up in hell forever!

But there is another reason why MISA get angry when their image is affected even a little: they know that they are guilty of the

respective accusations and urgently seek to divert attention elsewhere and, obviously, to intimidate those who investigate them.

Someone who was wrongly accused wouldn't be so vehement, especially since they know they have proof of their innocence and,

above all, they wouldn't respond with a counterattack ("you're the bad guys, not us!"), which clearly shows that they know they're guilty!

M. Stoian:

Actually, some of the things we are attacked for are correct. For instance, honestly speaking, we have some sectarian attitudes.

Yes, we are not a sect as such, and it's a gross exaggeration to consider MISA as a sect, MISA and NATA and all the schools,

it is a spiritual school, a network of schools, but we have sectarian attitudes, so we should be careful when we deny that.

We should not be so vehement in saying ”no, it is not true!” We are a little bit fanatic. 

Since MISA claims to be the sole holder of the truth, the highest school of all time and possessor of the highest divine secrets,

following the messenger of "god" on earth who has revelations in planetary premiere, the label of sect is by no means an

exaggeration, but is the very natural classification. But let's see what the sectarian attitudes are:

M. Stoian:

We are sometimes very lousy in integrating the administrative work. Therefore, the society feel threatened by us being

so strangely organized. So it is not completely far out. It's true, they are using these things, our flaws, to attack us.

But the fact that flaws exist, in any person with a spiritual attitude will at least admit ”Listen, I have my weakness.

That's why they attack me”. Otherwise, we contradict our own principles. We all teach the students, you know, nothing happens

by coincidence. It's your weakness, it's your resonance, you accept the resonance and so on. And then suddenly, in regard

to the attacks of the society, we are perfect and they are the bad guys. It's abusive and it's not correct. 

Yes, that's the problem with MISA: "poor integration of administrative work!" The aberrant ideas, the deflection of asteroids

and comets, conspiracy theories, the consumption of urine from sexual partners, group sex and polyamory,

Bivolaru's strange manifestation 🔗, the invocation of aliens, the bizarre cult-like web pages, the messianic attitude, the insane

fanaticism (not just "a little bit"!), the fact that they swear on their health and personal misfortunes that they will keep

the secret, these don't scare society, only the administrative side!

At a certain point, a short but interesting dialogue takes place with the audience:

female voice from the audience: In general, on the net they are nowadays writing and compiling these kind of anti-MISA blogs

and so on, but they write exactly as they are now these poor victims and they somehow were discovered... 

M. Stoian: They make fun. 

from the audience: Yeah, they're always victims of everything. 

M. Stoian: Yes, exactly.

din public: (There's obviously not a strong side/or/ site).

From such a site they ended up being investigated: "The Guide" 🔗, Stoian and his wife, arrested in the most "touristy" country,

republic of Georgia! 🔗 Stoian-the-White did not suspect that, a decade after that discussion, it would be his turn to shout that

he was the victim of the bad guys blah blah! On these blogs/forums, the real victims of Bivolaru's abuses told their stories,

from there they reached the ears of journalists, of anti-cult organizations, the victims contacted other victims and organized

themselves, then contacted the authorities and, just like that, the heads of the hydra were cut off, proving true what the bloggers

”wrote for fun"!

M. Stoian:

The victim attitude that is having as a background a kind of an arrogant attitude. We consider ourselves above the law, above

everything. Not all the time, but some things we truly need to correct. Together with the unprofessionalism in presenting ourselves

towards the society, that makes a very fertile ground to these abuses against us. The drama is because of the lack of participation

to the defending of the school. Most of the people do not participate actively to the defending of the school. They do not realize

how strange we look in front of the others. I can tell you because I am there in front of the defense and I can tell you very often

I speak with people who don't understand our defense because we also are looking strange. So when we try to present the things

there, they say, but well, it's difficult for them to understand.

And many will understand that if they will participate, but they don't. Therefore, they think we are fine, we are doing well,

we are so perfect and so good and these bad people are attacking us and that's all. No, that's not all. That's a terrible, abusing,

simplified version of the truth. It's not true. In reality, for instance, some of the trials in Romania are full of errors that we made.

So this is the problem. You see, we have a victim attitude, but it's not correct, our victim attitude. 

”We consider ourselves above the law, above everything”. This arrogant attitude comes from the belief instilled by Bivolaru that

everything done at MISA is "divinely integrated", although the actions obviously violate both the laws and common sense.

Although the "guide" always says that "everything is possible, but not everything is permitted", here he has allowed himself

any wickedness that, in his opinion, is divinely integrated because "an affirmative response to consecration was received"

for these aberrations, as the Spiritul Guide of MISA also declared before the French court. 🔗

The arrogant attitude is seen in all the press releases of the MISA Press Office when they are exposed in the media.

Instead of fighting the accusations with arguments, those from MISA reproach the journalists for selling themselves to evil,

then boast, showing how great and virgin the esoteric yoga school is 🔗 🔗, amplifying the impression of "weirdness".

Then, in 2013, Stoian criticized the victim attitude, but now in 2025, having been arrested in Georgia, he embraces it.

But what would be the correct attitude, in Stoian's opinion?

M. Stoian:

We should first have the winner attitude. We should first go out and teach and show the things. Nowadays, we are almost

hiding all the time. That's not correct. You cannot, I mean, Grieg is not appearing publicly now, but he's sending lectures,

he's doing so much activity even though he's risking his life. And sometimes people even blame him, but if he is brave enough,

he will come there to face the challenges. Really, how many of the others who were accused or something continued their activity?

Most, they just disappeared. They didn't keep a lecture afterwards. They just disappeared, which is not correct. This victim attitude

is also not justified. It's just a failure of inner alchemy and a clear sign of lack of success in the spiritual practice.

A person with success in the spiritual practice, and especially in the inner alchemy, cannot fall into the victim attitude because

it's a person resourceful, is a person who has a lot of solutions to any problem that they appear. If we are following the spiritual

guide, and obviously he's a winner, he's not a victim, shouldn't we be winners instead of victims Because if we're following,

we should be like him. Meaning, I never heard him with the mentality of a victim.

Great winning attitude from Bivolaru, especially when he put his jacket on his head when he was caught trying to cross

the border 🔗, then disappeared into the cosmic void and reappeared as a great hero only after he obtained, through a lie,

the protection of Sweden. When the trial of the parole application took place in 2017, he declared that he took responsibility

for the act and regretted it, then upon leaving prison, he said that he was not guilty. Then he disappeared again, started sending

ridiculous lessons and audio conferences, complaining from time to time that the Masons were sending him death threat letters

and that they were hunting him. Arrested in France and brought before the court, he compared himself to Jesus in terms of

his “persecution” 🔗, said that he was “endowed with divine gifts and is a spiritual leader” 🔗, then denied the accusations

and heroically blamed the “initiated” students 🔗 and the affirmative answer of "god".

Yeah, Bivolaru never posed as a victim, only as a winner(?) This is exactly what a true winner looks like... 🔗

M. Stoian:

Many of these activities simply do not have, they are not an expression of a certain perspective, and I was even making an experiment,

talking with some of the people, here in Denmark, asking them, how do you see your position 30 years from now in the school?

Do you see yourself? And for many, it was a shock. They never envisioned themselves here in 30 years, and of course, it's not

because they are very old, and they will not be probably in this world. No, simply because they were not having any vision. 

Well, interesting enough, the higher the level of consciousness, the broader this perspective naturally. 

Maybe for Stoian it is a wonderful vision, seeing himself in 30 years a great yoga teacher, wasting time at ATMAN, maybe even as

Bivolaru's successor, waiting for female students to come to "initiations", while the money flows from the visionless suckers who

work for him, but for an ordinary student, to see himself in 30 years in the same state, contributing to ATMAN until his last breath,

that would be a failure, because it would mean at least that he has not yet achieved ultimate liberation!

Immediately after the lecturer expressed these ideas, someone from the audience reports:

person in the audience:

So in the summertime, when it was the Krishna initiation in Costinești, one of our colleagues told me that when it was the moment

of take committing herself and taking the promise, she said, for one day in a row, stucked in a replica, she didn't went forward

with the initiation, just saying: ”From now on, all that years, to come to the, even if you are not in the yoga school.

Imagine, even if you are not in the yoga school, you have to come to do that!” So all the day, she was knocking her colleague

in the head: ”Hey, but how come this? I mean, even if you give up to be in the yoga school, you have to come to do this!” 

(note: at the special initiation for Krishna, before drawing a ticket with "YES" or "NO", a form is filled out, which includes,

among other things, a commitment that, if you are admitted to the initiation following the draw (if you draw a ticket with "YES"),

you will continue to attend the lectures in each camp, year after year, for 15 years, even if you leave the yoga classes in the meantime!)

M. Stoian: Let's say a teacher from their group freak out, have a problem with the promise there, and says, ”No, it's too much,

I cannot”, and goes out. That person stands up and says: ”I think it's a wrong opinion, because you haven't heard, for instance,

the explanations about the solemn promise, and because of that you are incompetent. It's good you go, I'm glad you go,

because actually you are not qualified to be here among us!” All the others will hear also another opinion.

Otherwise they will all stay silent here: ”Another one bites the dust. Another one go, what are we doing here?” 

Here is proof of the way in which the mental conditioning of the students is done at MISA/ATMAN, by which they are determined

to remain in the sect: promises or even oaths by which they commit to continue participating in the sect's actions, years and

years in a row, even after they have eventually left the group! A recognition from the highest source of this perverse mode of action!

Towards the end, the issue of fanaticism returns:

M. Stoian: I saw that, for instance, now that I teach this Tantra course in Romania, talking with a lot of people who come to

the Tantra course. And I discovered that they still carry inside all kind of strange things. They never had, they say, if you ask

them consciously, they don't have doubts. They are on the path, they follow the path, they follow the path more and more passive,

and slower and slower, and mostly because they carry all these weights which were never answered, were never cleaned out,

instead of just following and having still a feeling that, ”hmm, that's strange, but yeah, maybe.

I trust Grieg”.

Their trust becomes more and more blind, because there are many reasons not to trust Grieg. They have many proofs during time.

They have a lot of reasons not to trust Grieg, and moments when Grieg was wrong, and so on, that they never addressed.

They never dared to put a question. And they were just sitting there, swallowing, and then on top, cover the whole thing with,

”no, but I trust Grieg.” And their trust becomes fanatic almost. That's why they become so many fanatics. In Romania,

for instance, because they were not answered. It was a failure, in my opinion, of the intermediary level to provide correct answers

and a vivid vision on the spiritual path. And because of that, the large mass become fanatic, because how could they stay on the path? 

When people ask me: ”do you believe in him?” ”No. Honestly, I don't believe in him. I follow him, because it's obvious!”

It's not a... I would be dishonest to say faith. Faith is when you don't see and you follow what I see. Our failure to understand him

turns into a guiding influence or guidelines that are very strange for people. And they really get fanatics.

We have our fanatics because we grow them like that. A person who 20 years follow a master who give all kind of strange signs,

who endorse pornography, who by his own recommendation do this and that and this and you never get an explanation for that.

You still follow that? You have a degree of fanaticism to stay on the path. You're rigid, because otherwise, you would have had

explanations. You would have found out the truth for yourself. Fanatics don't need explanations. They just follow whatever happens. 

So Stoian admits that "Grieg supports pornography", although MISA swears that everything is just beauty and pure eros with them.

And he "follows him because it's obvious" and supports pornography too, and even participates in it,  stars in porn films and sells them!

However, MISA claims that she is innocent, she is even a virgin, and the blame for the scandal lies with the "hateful" former students:

M. Stoian: I was wondering, for instance, why we have so many people that turn against the school. I mean, there are schools

who have a lot of students and they leave the school and they left the school. That's all. They don't turn against the school.

And analyzing this situation, I realized there is a very simple explanation for why we have so many people turning against.

Because you also have a higher degree, a higher percentage of fanatics. And the fanatics, they always stay fanatic.

They are fanatics pro or against. So, a fanatic, when he leaves the school, he becomes fanatic to attack the school. And that's why.

Now, the question is, how do we build these fanatics? Why we have a percentage? Not everyone, but we have a certain percentage of it.

I think we grow them. We, as the prolongation of the spiritual guide, because we fail to give the right attitude, the right guidance,

then the people are following a ghost. And of course, they become, some of them, they don't have an alternative.

They will follow the path. So, they only have in mind: ”I have to keep this path no matter what!” And then they keep it, even if

in their mind, really Grieg, they just make an image. They draw, like these people on the cave, you know, drones on the cave,

because it's not Grieg, it's a phantasmagoric image of what he is, because they don't have an alternative. They didn't meet a model. 

They just met a picture, and what they see there in front of the class, ”no, that's not according to the picture!”

And for this reason, they say: ”Fine, I will follow this no matter what!” That's a fanatic. And the problem is, some of them,

they follow the path, and they go against it. That's the definition of the percentages. 

I noticed, for instance, some of the people, even here in Denmark, those who were attacking the school, they were following like this.

They were not following it honestly. And then they turn against it. You never see people with an honest attitude to follow the path

Even if they have a conflictual situation, they decide not to come to the class because something is too much for them or something,

but they don't turn against it. They don't waste their life to hunt the mistakes of the school or things like that. These are the people

who we created, and we should be a little bit at least responsible for that because we don't like it. If we don't like it, we should stop

producing these people because from them we have a certain feedback. Of course, there will be always a degree of fanatics probably

in a spiritual school, but not so many. We have many. We have more than we should have. We should have a natural percentage,

like all the population has a certain degree maybe. We should have maybe that degree, but not higher than that. We create them

because, in my opinion, we put too many challenges in front of the honest aspirants instead of us growing, and then everyone grows,

and then you don't need fanaticism because you have organizations that are replacing the, as you say, the things that you have

to believe on the word of someone. You don't have to believe. There is a certain thing you believe, but the things that, let's say,

they are old, it's not a question of belief. You have already realized that, you have achieved that level, it's not anymore a belief.

But when you haven't achieved, the course goes on and on, and you still have to believe a lot of things, still you haven't evolved

too much. And then the buffer of belief things is full, it's saturated, you can't take anymore. So that's why some of the things

have to move from the belief to realization, to achievement. 

What Stoian means by this gibberish is that the former students who turn against the school did not leave it because they noticed

the flagrant violations of the moral principles that are loudly preached by the great school itself, but they are the ones who did not

keep up with the "formidable revelations received in the divine integral esoteric school", could not bear the feeling of definitive

failure and threw their frustration at the flawless school! He thus proves that he really followed his master on the path of

wickedness and perversity, throwing the dead cat in the victims' yard.

"If they were honest, former students wouldn't attack the school", but they are actually raising the alarm about the mischief that

goes on behind the scenes of yoga classes, precisely so that others don't fall into MISA's trap.

“We create them because, in my opinion, we put too many challenges in front of honest aspirants, instead of growing ourselves.”

That is, “WE talk as if we have achieved perfection, although we obviously have a lot of problems, while the average students

find that they have become stuck and end up believing themselves to be failures, then they blame the causes of their failure on us.”

And “WE” refers primarily to Bivolaru, who uses the plural of majesty when referring to himself.

The problem is that the leaders are forced to pretend to be perfect to the students in order to instill in them the belief that

they too will become like that someday, in order to determine them to join the school and stay forever. In addition, after they have

attracted them in, they also tell them that if they leave, they will permanently lose their only chance for evolution and spiritual liberation.

If they told the students "hey, we're not yet spiritually realized", then either the students would leave, finding no reason to stay,

like in the previous dialogue with "another one fell to the ground", or no one would come in. So they are practically condemned

to lie and they condemn those who follow them as well. In fact, the lie begins with the posters and presentation conferences,

where amateurs are promised a unique yoga class at the gym, and only after they have lured them in, do they tell them that it's

a spiritual school, where they stay for the rest of their lives.

An example of this kind of action is that of the former president of MISA who carries out a lot of courses and camps with

the promise that participants will have access to "a new path that leads very quickly and efficiently to ultimate liberation",

which suggests that he himself would be such a liberated one, since he presents these paths and has been doing so for some

time, so he must have liberated himself several times in the meantime... But if he is not already a liberated one, then he is

the ultimate liar! In addition, a big question mark is why the MISA courses last for an indefinite period, in fact unlimited!

Obviously, the presentation web pages of the MISA courses are also full of such insinuations, so it is surprising that there are still

people who fall into the MISA trap. But the main culprits for catching the fish are those who spread the nets, not the fish that have

to swim anyway...

In conclusion, this speech of Stoian nevertheless admits that in the paradise of MISA/ATMAN there are a lot of negative things,

contrary to the image of divine perfection that is displayed on the painted facade of the sect. But according to him, for the existence

of these negative aspects, it would not be "Grieg", the one who shows the painted crow and says that it is a peacock, but anyone else!

(the end)

full transcript of Stoian's conference entitled "Integration of tantric path in our school" (feb 2013)